Wednesday, July 06, 2011

ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE AND THE BROTHER THAT NEVER WAS.

 Here's a bit of historical sleuthing that was occupying me a few weeks ago.  It begins with quotes from biographies of Eleanor of Aquitaine by Marion Meade and Alison Weir.

"Although William X had two illigitimate sons, William and Joscelin, he now resolved to beget a male child to inherit his duchy."  Marion Meade in Eleanor of Aquitaine a Biography.

"The Pipe Rolls show that the Queen was paid allowances for the two boys, and also record that she was supporting in her household her sister Petronella and their two bastard brothers William and Joscelin.' Alison Weir in  Eleanor of Aquitaine: By the wrath of God, Queen of England.

I think other biographers have referenced this relationship too, although Meade and Weir are the only ones where I can find it indexed.
I was interested in this relationship, because writing a novel about Eleanor, I needed to know about her childhood experiences with these aforementioned brothers and how much a part of her household they were prior to her coming to England.  So I set out to trawl.  At first I found nothing, but since the mention of them was in the Pipe Rolls 1154-58 according to Weir, I went to have a look for myself to see if I could glean anything else about this elusive pair.
I also have a pipe roll of my own for the dates 1176-1177 and here I turned up 'Regina, Ioscelinusm frater ejus. in the index. Heading to the referenced page of 191, I came across this entry for Sussex.
'Iosecelinus, frater regine debet .cc. m. pro fine facto cum uxore Willelmi de Perci.
Now my Latin is rubbish, but I think I understand that 'Joscelin the brother of the queen renders 200? marks in a fine and that it is something to do with either his wife or the wife of William de Perci. The salient points to note are his name, the county, and the de Perci name.

In the Pipe roll for the 4th year of Henry II we have an earlier reference to this Joscelin the brother of the queen, again in the Sussex Pipe Roll.  'Et Josc, Fri Regine - IX Li Xiiis.  Or again in the 2nd year and again in Sussex. 'Et Joscel fri Regine XLVI s. (I think.  The text of the sum is difficult to read, but it doesn't matter.  Again the pertinent thing is the identification of Joscelin as the brother of the queen in the accounting for Sussex).

Right.  So the queen has a proven brother Joscelin who is active in Sussex.  But now we come to the kicker which seems to have been overlooked along the way.  The Pipe rolls don't say which queen, they just say 'Regine'.
A previous queen of England, who still went by her title of 'queen' long after she gave up her regnal position and married royal steward William D'Albini, was Adeliza of Louvain.  And guess what.  She had an illegitimate brother called Joscelin; he was her constable at Arundel in Sussex, and she gave him lands in Sussex at Petworth.  She also sorted him out a rather lucrative marriage with Agnes, heiress of William de Percy.  All the evidence clearly points to the Joscelin in question being Joscelin of Louvain, (d.circa 1180) half-brother of former queen Adeliza and NOT a half-brother of Eleanor of Aquitaine.
Was the other illegitimate brother of the queen named William?  the jury is out on that one.  I can't tie him to Adeliza, but since I can't tie him to Eleanor either, and since I've not come across any mentions elsewhere, it's a definite case of caveat emptor.  I shall be leaving him out of the equation.
It's definitely a lesson in not taking for granted everything you read in non fiction!

Speaking of which and still with Eleanor of Aquitaine, I was somewhat surprised to read in Ralph Turner's Eleanor of Aquitaine that Geoffrey le Bel went on the 2nd crusade and that he ended his life by drowning. But at least Turner follows the latest research that Eleanor was actually 13 at her marriage and not 15.  More on that in a later blog post. Sean MyClynn meanwhile, tells us that Eleanor had 'a dark complexion, black eyes, black hair and with a curvaceous figure that never ran to fat even in old age.' (fantasy wish fulfilment?) There is no physical description of Eleanor in existence.  Even the supposed one at the chapel of St. Radegone is now generally thought by the experts to be a man.
I guess that brings me onto another massive bugbear.  The use of personal opinions in biographies that have no underpinning in fact and are just  guesswork.  Statements preceded by 'Doubtless' 'likely' 'probably' 'must have' are not firm ground for scholarship. Even worse when the biographer misses these signals out and just states opinion as if it's fact, or states the emotional responses of the personalities involved without the primary source evidence.  Then it becomes just another novel.  It's a minefield for an author trying to do justice to his or her characters and maintain integrity!

Of the books concerned with Eleanor so far,  Eleanor of Aquitaine, Lord and Lady edited by Bonnie Wheeler and John c. Parsons is one of the most forthright and best, although it's a series of essays rather than a biography.  The same for The World of Eleanor of Aquitaine edited by Marcus Bull and Catherine Leglu.  I have been finding the French viewpoint Eleanor of Aquitaine, Queen and Rebel from Jean Flori very good on Eleanor's early life, but am told he loses his path when Henry II enters the scene and his rationality goes a bit to pot.  Not having read that far, I can't comment, but for now at least it's avoiding the wall bang!

Post Script.  I've been dabbling why I had five minutes between one thing and another and I revise my  opinion about brother 2, William.  This looks as if he has a likely tie with Eleanor.  Look on the entry here - lines 4 and 5.  Et fr Regine. Will de Pciters.  Is that a scribe's rendition of Poitiers?   If so, (and I suspect it is) then this may be a bastard half brother.  This is in the roll for Kent for the second year of Henry II.

22 comments:

Christy K Robinson said...

Thanks for the interesting post. :D

Not having read the Weir book (nor likely to), I hadn't heard of Eleanor having a brother until I saw it in your notes and blogs. But I've known for 30 years that Joscelin and Adeliza (and Eleanor) are all my ancestors. It's kind of hard to NOT be descended from them, actually. Millions of people share that heritage!

Misfit said...

I think that Joscelin has a relationship to the Percy family as in the Lion of Alnwyck trilogy?

elizabethashworth said...

How very interesting. It's a salient reminder that non-fiction books may not always be accurate and that nothing beats going to the primary source and checking the evidence for yourself - although even those records can sometimes be contradictory.

Malena said...

I couldn't finish the Weir book for the reasons you stated. It surprises me that that book was even published. I can't stand it when people write opinions as facts--and find it very irresponsible, as it can sometimes impact historical perspective considerably. I am glad that you cleared up for me the controversy about the brothers though, because I was a bit confused about that. Thanks for your wonderful blog.

Yvette Hoitink said...

How wonderful you are doing so much research into your characters!

As a genealogist who's lucky enough to be a descendant of Eleanor, I've found the website Medieval Lands very useful in locating primary sources. Perhaps you'll find some new references there as well!

Danielle said...

Regarding the issue of Eleanor's brothers, there is at least one essay in the book you mention, Eleanor Of Aquitaine: Lord And Lady that mentions this: Elizabeth Brown's "Eleanor of Aquitaine Reconsidered". On page 5 she writes that Eleanor's father had two illegitimate sons and that William was Eleanor's elder brother; and on the next page that the elder brother died in the same year as Eleanor's mother. Brown's notes include references to the Histoire des Comtes de Poitou.

Happened to have the book handy for a post I was writing and remembered seeing this :-)

jel said...

Thanks for the notes, good that you have enough latin to be able to work things out.
It is interesting to think that there would have been a range of times where the previous Queen was alive while the next Queen reigned with her husband. From your comment, I take it that some of those whose husbands died dropped their use of the title Queen on remarriage (if they were given the permission)

Elizabeth Chadwick said...

Thanks everyone for the comments so far!
Danielle - ah, that's one of the references I know I've seen elsewhere. I would say that Elizabeth Brown is probably working on that pipe roll assumption, but I would need to recheck. Eleanor's legitimate brother William died the same year as the mother.
I'm away for a few days now, but I'll re-read the EB piece and comment again once I'm back. :-)

Annis said...

Interesting post, EC. A good example of how someone hasn't read an original source properly , but made an assumption which has then been repeated by others till regarded as given fact.

I wonder when the term "Queen Dowager' first came into general use in England? That at least makes it clear that the queen in question is the wife of a past king rather than a current one.

Elizabeth Chadwick said...

Annis, I don't know when the term came in, but later than the 12thC as an official title. I have seen primary source references to Adeliza after queenship, where she is still accorded the title of queen, which is one of the factors that made me look twice at the pipe rolls. Once a queen, always a queen.
Danielle, I've glanced at Elizabeth Brown's article - based on something she wrote in 1976, but has brought up to date. She mentions the bastard brothers, and further on in the article credits Alison Weir and Jane Martindale for work on the Pipe rolls, but she doesn't cite a source at point of mention in the article about where she got her information on the bastard brothers. It was known to Meade, who again doesn't cite her source. Weir cites the pipe rolls but only the 1154-1158 ones, which just call Joscelin the brother of the queen. It's the pipe roll of 1176-77 that's the biggie, because it adds the Percy connection which is the clincher to the other strong circumstantials. If you pushed me hard, I might just go with the belief that the other brother mentioned - William - is also Adeliza's brother. My thought on this is that if he belonged to Eleanor, he would have surfaced sometime sooner than the English pipe rolls. But that's only a theory. If I had the time I'd investigate further. It's certainly on a back burner to be thought about.
Danielle, thanks for the website :-)

Charlie said...

Dowager was first used of Mary Tudor, widow of Louis XII, then of Catherine of Arragon, styled ‘Princess Dowager’.

Charlie said...

Dowager was first used of Mary Tudor, widow of Louis XII, then of Catherine of Arragon, styled ‘Princess Dowager’.

Elizabeth Chadwick said...

Thank you Charlie - interesting and useful to know.

Elizabeth Chadwick said...

I've just revised my comment about the other brother William - see the post script to my blog post. Looks like he may well tie in to Eleanor.

Carla said...

How very interesting. It's always worth going back to the primary sources if possible - they may be unclear and contradictory, but at least you're starting from evidence (such as it is) and not from someone else's guess. Some interpretation/ speculation/ guesswork is often needed to try to make sense of events if there are contradictory versions or patchy records, and signalling the boundary with 'likely', 'could', 'may', 'infer' etc is only fair to the reader.

Tess said...

Absolutely fascinating...and how wonderful to be able to access those pipe rolls relatively easily for your research :)

Tess said...

Absolutely fascinating...and how wonderful to be able to access those pipe rolls relatively easily for your research :)

Danielle said...

You really seems to be on to something exciting regarding Joscelin! Out of curiosity I had a look at the Pipe Rolls for the years immediately after the death of Adeliza's brother (1180). Now, he was given Petworth or lands thereabouts, wasn't he?

30 HEN. II.

"HONOR DE PVETTEWURDA

Idem episcopus redd. comp. de .xxx. l. et .xiij. s. et .iiij. rf. de veteri firma honoris de Petewurda. In thesauro liberavit.
[Et quietus est.]
Et idem de x. et .xxxij. l. et .viij. s. et .vj. rf. de nova firma. In thesauro quater .xx. et .xvj. l. et .xvj. s. et .ix. rf. Et in elemosina constituta incluse cle Stodehain .viij. s. et .viij. rf. Et in terris datis canonicis de Mereton' .xx. s. in secundo molendino de Duneketon'. Et debet .xxxiiij. l. et .iij. s. et .j. rf. que remanent super terras hominum Goscelini fratris Regine quamdiu regi placuerit. Et de tribus annis preteritis x. l. et .xlix. s. et .iij. rf. que remanent."

Petworth comes up more than once in association with "J/Goscelinus, frater Regine" but after 1180 they appear to refer to Joscelin's men, not himself.

Emilie Laforge said...

Very interesting post Elizabeth. It will be great to read about Eleanor's early years.
Good luck with your research efforts as you have demonstrated that it is time consuming and complicated.

Elizabeth Chadwick said...

Danielle - yes! Thank you so much. That absolutely clinches it. Joscelin of Louvain was indeed lord of Petworth and died circa 1180.

I've been away at a conference, hence the hold up in responding, but this really does look as if it's the real deal, doesn't it?

Marilyn Smith said...

This is a very interesting article and contains such good information on working with sources and what to watch out for. Great job !

seema said...

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